Andrew Musgrave
Welcome again to ASX Briefs, and today we're joined again by Keith John, the Managing Director of Pioneer Credit Limited, a leading Australian financial services provider focused on the ethical recovery of purchased debt portfolios. Keith, thanks for joining me again and welcome back to the ASX Briefs Podcast.
Keith John
Thanks so much, Andrew. It's nice to be with you.
Andrew Musgrave
Now before getting into recent results, for those that are new to the story, can you just provide a brief overview of the company?
Keith John
For sure. Look, Pioneer Credit Limited, we're a debt purchaser and servicer. We specialise in buying non-performing or underperforming loans, predominantly off the major Australian banks, and we work with those customers over time to get them back on track. We make our money because we buy well, and we're trusted by the banks to deal with these consumers that are going through a bit of a tough time. We buy at a discount and then they pay us back over time. We have a portfolio of just over $2 billion in receivables owing to Pioneer at the moment. And of that, about $400 million is under arrangement, so like a performing loan book that we work with those customers over time.
Andrew Musgrave
And the company has delivered a standout FY26 result headlined by a 245% surge in statutory NPAT to $23.1 million alongside strong growth across EBITDA, EBIT, and cash collections. What were the primary operational and structural tailwinds that drove this record performance?
Keith John
Thanks, Andrew. Well, look, there are a range of things that drove it. I mean, the market was well expecting us to deliver a very big number. We set a target in FY22, which we tied management incentives to, of an $18 million NPAT in FY26. We delivered that. That was delivered because of a range of things. One was a great environment which we're operating in. There's very limited competition for Pioneer, and that's because of the compliance record that we have and the way that we treat customers and subsequently banks want to be dealing with us. That's one thing. Australia has a very robust consumer, and whilst cost of living is certainly impacting people and interest rates are impacting people, the desire for the consumer to pay down debt is very strong. And of course, the majority of consumers remain employed. So that's good for our business, it's good for our customers, and we work with them over time to make sure that they can make their repayments in a manner that is manageable to them. And then the third is through the period, as our credit quality has improved, we've been able to continue to decrease the margin at which banks charge us for the funding that we use. And that drove some of the profitability for this year, and we'll continue to do that for you for the years to come.
Andrew Musgrave
You also deployed a record $105.1 million into purchased debt portfolios during FY26 and have guided to a further $100 million to $110 million in FY27. How are bank vendor dynamics evolving and why does Pioneer's customer-focused business model give you a strategic advantage in winning market share?
Keith John
Yeah, look, over the course of the last few years, really the banks have been returning to selling portfolios as they've remediated things that have come out of the Hayne Royal Commission and also met societal expectations around customer treatment and so forth. And banks have been very focused on that. They've been choosing someone that is aligned to them, like Pioneer. We don't buy payday loans, for example. So, we're only working with the best of the consumers, the ones that have the propensity to heal and we're aligned in that regard. We also don't compete with banks, so we don't offer new loans. And because we don't offer new loans, we're not competing with the banks, we're aligned with them. So that's been great for us. We have been forecasting to spend about $80 million last year, and then in June, really there was a big ramp, and we had the opportunity to invest more, and we see that continuing from here. So, we're aligned with banks, we're aligned with consumers, we've got an exceptional compliance uh record, and that's what's driving the opportunity for us to continue to invest heavily in this business.
Andrew Musgrave
Now, during the year, Pioneer substantially lowered its cost of capital through major debt facility repricing’s, followed by an oversubscribed $17 million placement in July of this year. How do these capital structure improvements position the company for sustained earnings growth?
Keith John
Yeah, coming out of COVID, we had you know some challenges like a lot of businesses, and the leverage in our business increased to about 95%. We're now down to around 75%. So, as we've continued to bring debt down in our business and build more equity into our business, funders have sought to decrease the margin that we pay. So, we were previously paying 550 BIPs over BBSW. We're now down to 435, and that's a very low margin for our type of business, and certainly for a business of our scale in Australia. That's a good thing, and that really is reflective of the strength of our business, the unquestionable strength of the portfolio we own and our ability to generate cash. So that's the primary driver of why interest rates have come down. We expect now to continue to build upon that. We raise some equity from existing shareholders, the 17 million that you spoke about, and that's put our balance sheet in a very, very strong position so that we can now move towards a return to paying dividends as we continue to grow our business out over the next few years.
Andrew Musgrave
You've recently noted ongoing progress with your litigation against PwC. What update can you share with the shareholders regarding current proceedings and next steps?
Keith John
Yes, well, this is a very important part of I suppose the upside opportunity in Pioneer. And whilst we don't spend our time focusing on this in terms of our day-to-day, there are a lot of investors that are keen to see what happens here. We commenced proceedings against PwC for a range of outcomes that they were complicit in through COVID. Our litigation against them is for some $30 million. It's been going for a good period of time now, for about three years. It's progressing nicely. Our council tell us we're in a very good position. We're sort of getting to the wards the point here and now. So, we're hoping that we're going to get an outcome over the next sort of 12 or so months with respect to that. We're certainly expecting to get a positive outcome based on the advice we have.
Andrew Musgrave
Finally, Keith, Pioneer has set strong targets, including FY27 cash collections of 170 million to 180 million, and FY29 NPAT of at least 35 million. What are the key milestones required to hit those medium-term objectives?
Keith John
For sure. I mean, we need to continue to execute well. We need to continue to look after our customers well, treat them appropriately so that we're compliant, we're operating in an environment that supports people, particularly through this cost-of-living crisis and pressure that we're seeing across the community. Those two are very important. We need to manage cost. I mean, obviously, with inflation, we are impacted in the same way. So, we need to manage cost. We've done a very good job of it up until now. We need to continue to do that. And we need to invest well, Andrew. And one of the things about our business that separates us from most others is there are no short-term incentives in our business for anyone in a leadership or an executive position. We get rewarded over a three or four-year period. In the case of our targets, we've released our NPAT for FY29. That's our target. That's what we expect to get, and that's what management is in part being rewarded against. So, we've got to build a long-term business with long-term value for the benefit of all shareholders. Discipline is at the core of it. We're very focused on that, and we're very pleased with our progress. You know, we're only obviously a few months into the to the new period, into this financial year, but we're very pleased with progress today.
Andrew Musgrave
Okay, Keith. Well, it's been great to chat again. Thanks for coming back on the podcast, and we'll watch your progress with interest over the coming 12 months.
Keith John
We appreciate it. Thank you so much, Andrew.
Andrew Musgrave
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